How to Build a Growth Engine That Scales in the AI Era with Andrew Silard
Published
September 15, 2026
Product-channel fit is the biggest, earliest determinant of your ability to take product-market fit into scale.
In this episode of Growth Talks, Andrew Silard, fractional head of growth and advisor to companies including Maven Clinic, OpenRouter, Just AI, and Appy, joins Right Side Up Founder and host Tyler Elliston to unpack the lessons from his time leading growth at Notion and Grove.
Andrew breaks down why the skills that get a team to product-market fit can quietly work against it once it's time to scale, how the "spike test" reveals whether a channel is really worth doubling down on, and why marketing's job is to be the loudest voice for the customer inside the company. He closes with a candid read on where AI is genuinely earning its keep in marketing today, and where it's still mostly hype.
🗝️ Key Takeaways
- Exploration and exploitation call for different skills. The scrappy experimentation that gets a company to product-market fit becomes a liability once it's time to focus and scale.
- Run a spike test before you commit. Pushing 5–10x more investment into a channel for a short burst shows whether the growth is real or you've just been under-investing.
- Segmentation turns loose fit into tight fit. Getting precise about who you're solving a problem for sharpens positioning and unlocks sharper growth.
- Marketing's job is to be the voice of the customer. Pairing data with real customer conversations is what earns marketing a seat in cross-functional decisions.
- AI's clearest wins in marketing are still narrow. Slack-based agents and a shared "context brain" are delivering value now; fully AI-native marketing teams are still mostly aspiration.
⏰ Timestamps
00:00 Welcome & Introducing Andrew Silard
00:50 Building Growth Across Startups: Lessons from Notion and Grove
01:20 Exploration vs. Exploitation: The Two Phases of Growth
05:09 Signs You're Stuck in Exploration Mode
07:53 The Spike Test: Validating Product-Channel Fit
16:55 Understanding Marginal CAC and Incrementality
18:13 Segmentation, Positioning, and Go-to-Market Strategy
24:49 Marketing as the Voice of the Customer
28:15 Where AI Is (and Isn't) Delivering Value in Marketing
32:16 AI Agents in Slack and the Rise of Devin
36:22 Building an AI-Native Marketing Team: Buy vs. Build
41:19 Should Growth Teams Go All-In on AI?
44:14 A/B Test
45:38 Growth Strategy in 2026: Efficiency vs. Growth
48:59 Building Early-Stage Marketing Teams in the AI Era
🔗 Mentioned in this episode
Notion: https://www.notion.com/
Grove Collaborative: https://www.grove.co/
Maven Clinic: https://www.mavenclinic.com/
OpenRouter: https://openrouter.ai/
Reforge: https://www.reforge.com/
Cognition (Devin): https://www.cognition.ai/
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